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Strange things goin' on...
« on: June 06, 2005, 07:16:52 pm »
I just noticed that unix.phatnoise.com is redirected to www.phatnoise.com! WTF? Maybe they try not get plsign "proliferated" any longer ???

Trying to ask what happended I wanted to get to the forum - it's offline!

Hm...

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2005, 07:19:05 pm »
nevermind this post.
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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2005, 07:20:02 pm »
Oh and I have plsign if anyone needs it.  Does anyone have a full mirror of everything that was on the unix.phatnoise.com site?  I'll host it if we need to.

Did anyone grab a full copy of all the files we could on sixpack.org?  we should get on that too...

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2005, 07:51:33 pm »
I got all what's been there, but caution: Vince's scripts are intentionally non-copyrighted but plsign IS NOT distributable! Hosting it will bring you into deep trouble...

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2005, 08:06:56 pm »
Oh yeah I forgot that part.  oops.. good thing I am not hosting it. :)  

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 04:15:14 pm »
http://unix.phatnoise.com/bootdisk.php works again.. but the main unix.phatnoise.com redirects to www.phatnoise.com still.

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2005, 04:20:52 pm »
Found the EULA for plsign on google..
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download playlist generation tools

read the following. if you agree, fill in the form, and click on the "I Accept" button.

Software End User License Agreement

For

PhatBox Linux Interface

This Software End User License Agreement ("Agreement") is between you (both the individual installing the Program and any single legal entity on behalf of which such individual is acting) ("You" or "Your") and PhatNoise, Inc. ("Vendor").

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ CAREFULLY AND UNDERSTAND THIS AGREEMENT.

BY CLICKING THE "I ACCEPT" BUTTON LOCATED ON THIS PAGE, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND DO NOT AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THIS AGREEMENT, PLEASE CLICK THE "I DO NOT ACCEPT" BUTTON. IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THIS AGREEMENT, YOU WILL NOT BE REGISTERED TO USE OR ACCESS THE PROGRAM.

IF YOU RECEIVED THE PROGRAM ON A PHYSICAL MEDIUM (I.E., A CD-ROM, FLOPPY DISK, ETC.], BY OPENING THE PROGRAM MEDIA PACKAGE AND/OR INSTALLING, COPYING AND/OR OTHERWISE USING THE ACCOMPANYING PROGRAM AND/OR THE DOCUMENTATION, YOU AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL THESE TERMS, DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE PROGRAM OR DOCUMENTATION.



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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2005, 04:21:13 pm »
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1.Definitions
1.1"Documentation" means the user guides for installation and use of the Program that Vendor makes generally available.
1.2"Program" means the Vendor software entitled PhatBoxTM Linux Interface, in object code form only, and the media, Documentation and any updates provided by Vendor to You and for which You are granted a license pursuant to this Agreement.
2.Program license
2.1Limited License. Vendor hereby grants to You a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license (without the right to sublicense):
(a)to use a single copy of the Program solely for Your own personal non-commercial use on the equipment on which the Program was first installed for production operation or, on a temporary basis, on a backup system if such equipment is inoperative, consistent with the limitations specified or referenced in this Agreement and the Documentation;
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(c)to copy the Program for archival or backup purposes, and to make a sufficient number of copies for the intended use described in the Documentation, provided that all titles and trademark, copyright and restricted rights notices are reproduced on all such copies.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2005, 04:21:19 pm »
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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2005, 04:21:27 pm »
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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2005, 05:01:49 pm »
Thanks to Jud and Google's caching!

Looking at the license (why didn't they ship it in plsign's archive?) there seems to be no statement against using it for other filetypes than playlists... This license is just a template which doesn't specifically define anything for plsign! By the way, the term "PhatBox Linux Interface" should implicitly (if not explicitly) allow us to do what we're currently doing because we just use it as an interface to PB's Linux...

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2005, 05:15:15 pm »
Agreed.  We need to find out more about reverse engineering allowed under the law in the terms of this agreement.  It doesn't say expressly that its not okay to send this file to other folks if I am reading this right.  They just have to be bound by the same agreement.. or am I misreading that?

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2005, 07:35:49 pm »
I think you are. Section 2.1 a) and c) in combination with section 2.2 should prevent you from sending/copying it to others than yourself...

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2005, 08:21:09 am »
I don't see any way that a signed file could be considered non-distributable so just make a signed file that calls a generic shell script, and distribute that... then people can use that to execute anything they put into the other shell script

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2005, 12:12:35 pm »
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I don't see any way that a signed file could be considered non-distributable so just make a signed file that calls a generic shell script, and distribute that... then people can use that to execute anything they put into the other shell script

Sam


Exactly.  Of course, that doesn't help with signing playlists, of all things, for those that want to develop software that runs under Linux / OSX / anything else.

But that's not a huge problem, either -- we have a list of candidate private keys that it uses to sign, and once we figure out which key we need to use and what exactly the sig file format is, I can write use a little *open source* utility to do the same.

(The meat of plsign is the RSAREF library, which is freely distributable.  Including the private key is a little more questionable, as far as copyright concerns -- it doesn't constitute a "creative work".  However, even that's not insurmountable -- I can write a program to "rip" the key out of the windows version :))

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2005, 11:27:17 pm »
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But that's not a huge problem, either -- we have a list of candidate private keys that it uses to sign, and once we figure out which key we need to use and what exactly the sig file format is, I can write use a little *open source* utility to do the same.

(The meat of plsign is the RSAREF library, which is freely distributable.  Including the private key is a little more questionable, as far as copyright concerns -- it doesn't constitute a "creative work".


Yep, guess what I'm going to do... That's the only way forward to keep Phat4X alive ;)
Note: in my earlier posts I referred to plsign only and not to any files signed by it.

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2005, 04:53:20 am »
I just threw up http://www.phathack.com/plsign.cgi -- I didn't see anything that would prohibit me from running it on that computer that I downloaded it to via a cgi script :)

If anybody sees any way this could be a legal issue please let me know

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Re: Strange things goin' on...
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2005, 08:54:52 pm »
Cool, we discussed this before, didn't we...?

Thanks for this, Para