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Offline snoutmeat

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Best hard drive brand/model to upgrade my DMS?
« on: March 10, 2010, 07:07:37 pm »
Hello everyone-

I'm preparing to upgrade my DMS with a higher-capacity hard drive after I hack my Phatbox.

--I know I need an IDE (PATA) drive and not an SATA drive
--it appears that people with the USB 1 dock are limited to 127GB, but I have the USB2 dock, so I don't have this limitation.
--I see that I need to use certain versions of the music/media manager software if my drive is >127 GB (or use the PhatHack Media Manager)

So this means I can use pretty much any 2.5 inch IDE notebook drive? From doing a similar upgrade to my ReplayTV, I know that certain brands can work better than others, because of physical size, disk cache, drive RPM, etc. Is there a preferred brand/model for the upgrade? Does one brand provide better shock protection than others? I saw one post that mentioned 7200 RPM drives could potentially have heat issues...I think the stock drive is 4200 RPM, but I don't think any of the new bigger drives (250 or 320 GB) run that slowly -- I think they're all 5400 RPM.

So... is there a "favorite" drive for upgrading the DMS?

Thank you,
Shane

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Re: Best hard drive brand/model to upgrade my DMS?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 09:07:28 pm »
Hello Shane,

I think you summarised the requirements pretty well.  5400rpm drives are generally fine (I have had no drive failures in 4 years, 70,000 miles).  Capacity is up to you.  There are issues using big drives with the larger drives (250-320GB) with the Phatnoise Media Manager but not with the older Phatnoise Music Manager.  Those problems can be got round with a few tricks in most cases. 

I am currently using a Seagate drive at 160GB (a year or two old now) and I had a Western Digital Scorpio 80GB drive for a long time as well.  Both work well with the Phatnoise Media Manager - I use version 3.92

If you search the forums (try searching for well known makes - just enter the make in the search box, no other text) and you may find other people's comments.

Cheers,

Les.

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Re: Best hard drive brand/model to upgrade my DMS?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 08:28:48 am »
I've spent some time off and on this week searching for the best drive for me...and it seems the Western Digital 320GB drive is the obvious choice at this point. Frankly, the price curve is so flat for all drives that I might as well get the biggest one. The equation for price vs capacity seems to be roughly $.15G +$50, where G stands for gigabytes...a 1 GB drive is about $50, a 100 GB is $65. Honestly, 120GB is probably an ample capacity for my music needs, and I wouldn't have any software compatibility issues, but I can't find any 120 GB drives for less than $60 shipped...if I can get nearly 3x the capacity for an extra $30, it's a simple choice for me. I kept looking online, assuming that some merchant would say "if a customer can buy a 320GB drive for $90, then my wimpy 100GB drive with 1/3 the capacity must only be worth 1/3 the price". I see a few liquidation websites with pages for surplus 100GB or 120GB drives being sold off at cheapish rates, but I'm always too late -- Google sends me to a page that says "sold out" (and probably for months).

The choices in new ATA notebook drives seems quite limited these days, with Western Digital virtually monopolizing the market (and most other manufacturers sticking to SATA now). It appears that WD has succeeded because they've perfected perpendicular recording technology, and can therefore achieve 2-3x higher recording density with roughly the same materials cost as an old longitudinal drive. Is there any reason to believe perpendicular drives are less robust in a mobile environment like the Phatbox? It appears that every iPod with a hard drive uses perpendicular recording, and pretty much every computer sold today also uses perpendicular recording. Did the original drives in our Phatboxes have any special shock resistant features that the WD drives lack? I suppose that all 2.5 inch drives are designed for laptop computers, so must have some shock resistance...

Laptops have been SATA for several years now (the 4-year old machine I'm typing on at the moment has an SATA drive in it), which makes ATA notebook drives relics at this point. In addition, it appears that many older laptops are very picky about the drives that they recognize; many of the surplus/legacy/refurbished smaller-capacity notebook drives (80, 100, 120GB) seem to be targeted at users of specific laptops, who are likely willing to pay a premium for a replacement that will work in their machine. We don't have such restrictions, so there's no point in paying that premium. Any 2.5 inch ATA drive should work for us.

So, if I'm persistent, and I spend several more hours of my life looking for a great deal on a 100GB or 120GB drive, then I'll probably find one in the next month or two for $40 or $50. Then I'll have an old drive, probably without a warranty, maybe refurbished. On the other hand, I can grab a new 320GB drive for $89 shipped, and it comes with a 3-year warranty. Seems like a simple decision, unless someone can tell me why the WD drive is a bad choice (other than the previously-mentioned software issues).

320 GB is a lot of audio. I've seen on some retail drive boxes that the manufacturers like to describe the capacity of their drives in terms of songs or movies. In that vein:
Using 128 kbit MP3, a 320 GB DMS will hold roughly:
65,000 songs.
320,000 minutes of audio.
5,000 hours.
More than 6 months of audio nonstop 24 hours a day.
At 60 MPH on the freeway, you can drive for 300,000 miles before hearing the same music again.
The average person drives 12,000 miles a year. Even with an average speed of 30 MPH, that's 400 hours in the car per year, so the 320 GB hard drive will hold 12.5 years' worth of driving with no repeats.

I'm pretty sure my VW doesn't have another 300,000 miles left in it. I'm skeptical that I will drive another 300,000 miles in my life -- I live 1 mile from work! :) 320GB should be plenty...

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Re: Best hard drive brand/model to upgrade my DMS?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 12:26:32 am »
Unless of course you are using FLAC which takes up far larger amount of disk space per song.

I am currently using a 160 gig drive and its pretty easy to fill up with FLAC  ;)

-jeff